Don't go into the woods...

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He can only attack twice a round - but for example compared to the arcane archer, who has a two turn recharge cycle, he could shoot 4 times through woods to the AA's once. I will clean that up in the text above.

Keen Senses needs to be used as a minor to make this work - and it needs to be used twice if you want to attack two different creatures through woods.
In theory you could - Move - Keen Senses, then attack one unseen creature twice (rolling conceal 11),
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Keen Senses vs target A, Keen Senses vs target B, then make the attacks allowed by your detection of the enemies.

- wow - I hope I didn't just convert this guy from 'super great' to 'sucky' in your mind....
He is still a cool piece, IMO.

(On the other hand, an arcane archer attacks once through walls every two turns, while this foresty guy never attacks through walls....)

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I thought about Koen's question.

I'm happy with either interpretation of the rules.

For me, Keen senses works on the target, instead of the attacker, making the target viable for the elf. In this case, you can use the power two times to tag opponents.

If the wording is such that it is the Elf's power and the tag resides inside him - then you would only be able to do it once, as Koen suggests.

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This was the reason to leave the beta on. This is the 'nth' iteration. Another clean way to do this that would allow him to detect any enemies, or to treat forest terrain as clear ( I don't like this - I want it to be a situation where he can thread an arrow through forest, but that it nonetheless provides cover to the target).

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The way it is currently written, seems to affect the creature itself, not the target (no "choose an enemy, that enemy..." language).

Also, was it intentionally written as "unseen"? To make everyone guess whether Invisible also qualifies?

I like the concept of this piece. May turn out to be rather strong.

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Also "target has conceal 11 as normal" is of course anything but normal for ranged attacks (which is all that the creature has). Smile Perhaps consider changing that to something else too. A simple "Target has conceal 11 if no line of sight can be drawn to it" is much clearer, IMO.

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Unseen might be a real nice new term. Please also consider the "target" vs. "victim" separation in the new terminology.

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Unseen is defined in the article itself, and it specifically states it is a preview of future rules.

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Also, word like 'til are clear to an english speaker.
It is a contraction of until. The key thing is to get rules with a minimum of words that still have a clear meaning. We are not there yet, but it will not take a lot to clean this up.

I will preview something more tentacle-y in the next day or two.

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