Classic Creatures Set This Fall...

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Classic Creatures Set This Fall...

Hey Everyone.

With a Classic Creatures Set coming out this fall, it raises just a question or two in the back of my mind.

One is the deal with the HUGE purple worm. Should it be playable in 200?
Same question for HUGE Demogorgon.

Two new Orcs are coming, and Two Sahuagin.
Sahuagin Warbands. They are going to be a thing, I think.
(The Sahuagin in the upcoming MM2 set is a warleader - just the evil aquatic buddy that's been missing).

Plus another troll and yet another Owlbear, and an Ogre Mage in the set.
I'm thinking this Ogre Mage could well be a Unique, at this point, but I have given little thought to the Troll and Owlbear.

Any of you want to throw generic ideas at me?

By the way, MM2 is essentially done, and in the final tweaks and 'what typos did we miss' phase and Tomb of Annihilation has been assigned to the a design team. A different team is doing the Epic set. So we are on track to have all the sets up to date by end of year. And the rules - they will be there too. I promise. Wink

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Shinsek
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IMHO, the Prince of Demons, shoud not be playable in 200... Expecially considering that this version is Huge.

FriendlyAlienist
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Maybe a Solo Purple Worm?

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Darkones
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Will this Huge Demogorgon represent the actual Prince of Demons himself?

I feel this version looks too scrawny to be the big bad, the Legendary Evils Balor seems bulkier and bigger than him.

Maybe the Large Demogorgon could be an "Aspect of Demogorgon" for 200 point games (even just a rerelease or tweak of the existing Archfiends card) and the Huge Demogorgon would be an Epic Aspect of Demogorgon for 500 point games?

Just some lore friendly ideas Smile

tried
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Maybe the little bonus one (only available via preorder) is just a convenient piece for when the big one squeezes.... Tongue

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skyscraper
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Ohhhh a new set!! I wasnt aware of it!

Geek Chills!

Haha Smile

Man, I love it already! Here are the images for those that have not seen them yet.

There seems to be new art for the orcs? The images are small, but they look pig faced. Although that art looks interesting, and in as much as I am correct, it bothers me some that they would change the appearance of a same race. I'd rather that they commit to an appearance and stick to it. No biggie though.

Demogorgon is nice! Smile I'm a bit surprised that the Huge figure appears within the set while the promo is the large, but why not.

The Ogre Mage is really sweat! I love the digital render art. I've always loved the ogre mages, truly profoundly. They're a really weird creature when you think about it, ogres are supposed to be dumb tuna-brained muscle packs, but then you have the oriental-origins ogre mage that comes in with its mage powers and high intellect, and these two races are somewhat related? Yet, I cannot help but love the the big guy! I've pitted my players against a couple of them over the decades, and they're fun. Invisible, cone of cold, gazeous form, what's not to love? Smile

The owlbear looks great too. The art is reminiscent of that of the AD&D era, I think it's really cool. They struggled with this art over the years as they dipped into different styles, this looks to be my favorite.

The troll I'm not too sure about, they've had some cool ones over the years and this one seems a bit less appealing to me, though still ok.

FOR DDM

Perhaps new Epic level stats could be issued for the Huge Demongorgon, representing the demon lord himself, while the Large version, the Aspect of Demogorgon, could have the the same stats as those of the Archfiends miniature, but with an item stat card to bring up to date? Or, a new Large figure stat card could be issued, for use with either the new or the old Large Aspect of Demogorgon? (Is this something we want to avoid to avoid confusion?) My idea is to try to keep the old figure also usable, since it's pretty rare to come by so new players can't be expected to find one, while for us ol'timers it would be nice for it to be usable also. Plus, a promo figure is harder to come by, so using the old miniature could then be a good solution.

As for the Huge Purple Worm, the old one is already only playable in Epic. Maybe set this one at a cost a bit lower, and then allow it indeed to be played in 200? Swallow whole! Smile

p.s.: Dwayne, don't forget about the Allstart items in the list of things to do. That item set will be really fun and will potentially bring an entire set's worth of minis back into the game! And not just any minis: the ALLSTAR MININATURES! *Nudge, nudge* Smile

Darkones
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skyscraper- This set is based on the monster artworks from the original 1977 Monster Manual.

Orcs were depicted as pig-faced there so there are no changes in their design, the regular future sets will continue to include the designs of the current D&D Edition monsters.

I would love it if they released the current Demogorgon from this D&D edition sometime in the future.

skyscraper
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Ohh, so that's it! Thanks for the information Darkones!

plastic finn
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I've always hoped for the sahuagin to rise to the surface.

As for the owlbears, maybe this elder one could lead them? Outside of the Orcbound Owlbear, they could use some serious help. A beakon of light, if you will...
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John Flipp
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Oh that is nice, I'm very excited about these! I would definitly see the Owlbear and Sahuagins rise from this. As for the large promo Demogorgon, i would do a special card for him, only playable with that version. Having a rare "hard to find" miniature and putting it out to surprise your opponent is what this game is about!

Dragon collectors set had new cards playable with both new and old versions, but this demogorgon is a totally new sculpt!!

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skyscraper
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Lol Antti Smile. I have to agree, the future has never been so beak for these creature's enemies.

Thenameless
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Now I'm getting excited about this set beakause of you guys.

John Flipp
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Today i went at my local gaming store to pre-order this set. I then asked how can i also order the promo figurine at the same time. He wasn't sure. After searching here and there he told me the cost of it was at 0$, meaning it comes free when you order the set.
I was happily surprised, but then at home i started doubting about it....

As anyone got more informations that me on that subject?

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Darkones
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John Flipp, I asked the same at my mine, and they said that i get the bonus Demogorgon junior with the purchase of one set, so i guess retailers recieve the bonus miniatures with the number of boxed sets they order.

skyscraper
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My FLGS was a bit more evasive, or the employee didn't know. They said that they couldnt promise that it would come with the promo figure; nor would they take an advance order. Go figure ;-/

Darkones
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It could be that they don't have a guaranteed number of bonus figures per order.

Or they may just plan to sell them as singles depending on their aftermarket price.

tried
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This is ultimately destructive behavior, because it promotes people avoiding the FLGS and ordering online. My nearest FLGS is not particularly friendly, so I understand well.

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skyscraper
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I got the Classic Creatures last week. They are cool!

The Huge Demogorgon is very interesting. My two sons (and occasional friends of theirs) are presently playing through Out of the Abyss, I hope I get to use it Smile

The Large Demogorgon would presumably see some DDM play. The miniature itself is interesting, but when side by side with the Huge version, it suffers from the comparison a bit. It's nice when it's alone Smile

The Owlbear is very nice. It really reminds me of my years playing AD&D in the '80's with the old art. Perhaps my favorite figure in the set.

The Ogre Mage is very cool also. I really like the old school sculpt, with the large purple pants with drawings on them, and the stance is really cool, and the small horn on the forehead. It competes with the Oni and the existing purple Ogre Mage for coolness (I love both of those sculpts also).

I really like the new Purple Worm. I prefer it's round mouth to the one in the previous Huge mini that appears to have maws. The sort-of-ring-shaped body looks like an intestine and the all-rock base is nice also, I also prefer those to the existing one. Of note: maybe they just forgot to put a black disc base on mine, it simply has no base other than it's rock, while the image (see link in my first post in this thread) includes the black disc. But you know what, I prefer what I have Smile

The orcs are okay I guess. The old look is nice, but I find they lack some paint detail, especially in their faces. The pig snouts do not come out very distinctly because of this, which is too bad because it's their distinctive feature.

The Sahuagin are pretty ordinary, and the Troll is underwhelming IMO. These last 5 minis are probably the "commons" of the set, while the other are close to upper uncommon or rare quality.

All in all, I think that 5 of the miniatures are very cool, while 5 are ordinary or underwhelming. The set is overpriced in view of this, IMO. I'm still glad I got it because, you know... Well, I don't need to explain this to you guys do I? Smile

A few additional DDM thoughts

With an existing 101 point demogorgon, I would try to make that one playable by re-issuing a card with only a minor tweak or two. For instance, the new Aspect of Demogorgon card, playable with either large miniature, could have one or more of:
- Inescapable Grasp be a minor action, usable once per turn
- Tentacle Rake allowing two attacks instead of a single one (with Rotting Touch, this would make the creature powerful with dual activation)
- An aura that buffs both Demons and Aquatic creatures, e.g. an aura that grants Resist 5 All to Demon and Aquatic allies. The up-and-coming Aquatic keyword could then have a nice titan with this miniature.
- A rotting aura e.g. that deals necrotic damage to Weakened creatures that activate within the aura.

The Huge Demogorgon, playable in either 200 or epic only (I have no strong inclination of one over the other), could have powers that relate to its two heads, Aameul and Hethradiah, that are known to respectively "charm enemies and drive enemies insane with their gaze, depending on which head's eyes are met; if both heads lock their gazes on a single target simultaneously, Demogorgon can hypnotize foes".

I would love to see the new Purple worm playable in 200 format, and leave enough space for a champion and then other relevant filler. E.g. 100 points?

I love your idea Dwayne of making the Ogre Mage a unique creature. Hopefully he perhaps has slightly different attributes than the Oni and existing Ogre Mage.

Well that's it for now. Nice to talk about my own present from me to me Smile

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I also got the Classic set for Christmas.

Like Skyscraper, I do like the Huge Demogorgon, Purple Worm and Owlbear.
For the rest, I don't know if I was unlucky or if everyone will experience this, but the quality of some was discutable.

The Sahuagin's legs were bent like if they were crushed on the base, and the Ogre wasn't well painted at all IMO. They painted the whole top blue even the hair and the leather stripes on his chest.
The Orcs were bent a way that defies gravity if I use them like that in a game lol.
For the price, I wasn't impress with the overall quality.

Still, I am happy to have it, but will have to use the heat gun and paint brushes to make it the way it's supposed to be...

Also... Skyscraper, you said your promo Demogorgon was large?? Because mine was medium size. I dont know if everyone is receiving the same promos then...
And about your Purple Worm, I hope you didn't throw away the original box, because the black base disc is actually appart from the worm, attach with tape inside the box. You have to clip it on. Its a Gargantuan base so maybe that's why its appart, because the ''rock base'' is huge.

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skyscraper
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Thanks JP! Indeed, the promo Demogorgon is medium, not large. (D'oh!)
And I'll check the box, it's in the recycling bags that weren't picked up because the pickup day is Christmas day Smile

Ogre mage paint: indeed, all blue from the waist up. You're right, it sucks.

For the rest however, no bent minis on my side.

skyscraper
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Found the (gargantuan) base!