strategy guide competition

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Koen
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strategy guide competition

So I figured it would be nice to organise a small tournament to accompany Moraturi's new serie of articles. Might be interesting to see if we can use his advice or if simply ignoring it is for the best Wink

I'm planning to keep this as simple as possible. For every article there will be a post here to set up some ground rules. Then we'll use four days for registration, i'll do some random matchups and then we take ten days to play on Vassal (Ira mentioned something about a new article every two weeks). Afterwards you simply post your match results here (with a vassal log if possible) and you score 2 points for a win. After five articles we have an 'unusual format champion' (vp as tiebreaker).

So, let's see for the 50 point stage:
- 6 creatures max
- max creature cost = 35
- half maps
- 3 vp for occupying a victory area per round

So, feel free to sign up. No preregistered warbands or things like that, just mention that you want to join (maybe add a timezone, i'll try to take it in account while making matches, no guarantees though).

Justjooaivan
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I want to encourage Vassal play, so I'll register first. Smile

John Almack
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Does anyone have instructions about how to download, install and use Vassal for DDM? Can it also be used on a private LAN?

Moraturi
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While I am not on Vassal, I would love to see any posts and warband lists for these formats.
Ira has the full article, but in addition to 50 point play, I expect that forthcoming parts will include:
200 Arena,
200 Gladiator,
100 Assault/Arena,
100 Gladiator
(maybe not in that order)

Ira
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I'll tentatively sign up, though my next two weeks are pretty busy.

We could also try roll20.net as a way of playing, since it provides asynchronous options.

tbiaslorin
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If you do manage to play in Roll20, please post a link. I still look in on your and Skyscraper's game as I continue working out my own DDM/Shackled City campaign. Looking in on an ongoing asynchronous game would be very helpful.

skyscraper
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I'd like to try tournament play. Will take me out of my comfort zone Smile

However, I'll be limited with regards to availability. I am often not at home (say, close to 50% of the time), and when I am, I have my three kids to take care of as a single father. So, I have an opening between, say, 9:00 PM and 11:00 PM about 50% of the time. Is that too restrictive? Anyone who plans on participating (and the host) can answer me, i.e. would my restrictive schedule be compatible with yours? If I get a significant proportion of "no's", I'll simply step out. I'd rather know now than later, so don't hesitate to answer quite frankly. Thanks!

Justjooaivan
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The typical DDM player is a family man in his forties (of course, there are exceptions, but this is typical). All family men in their forties tend to have more or less restrictive schedules. And then there are the time differences. Welcome to global synchronous gaming. There will always be an amount of goodwill to carry out the games of the pairings. Sometimes these things do not work out, sometimes they just drag the tournament. (VWC took 6-8 months, IIRC.) Also, some Vassal games are just very long. Be prepared to break and continue later. Surely everyone tries their best to focus on the game and make themselves available. Please do not be super annoyed if life interrupts. If you yourself get the feeling at some pairing that you have outstretched the other party's nerves, feel free to just concede that game. Goodwill solves 90% of the problems, Koen solves any potential disputes, being the organizer, or names someone else who resolves these. (Everyone blame the mean organizer. Tongue )

Justjooaivan
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I wish I had more time in my hands. I do have a brand new laptop that I have not installed Vassal yet, and I have installed a screen activity recorder with voice recording, so if everything works out well, I might have a meager "How to install Vassal" video up in a couple of days. Meanwhile, here is an earlier video.

The latest Vassal mod for DDM, I will find it and post the link here, or anyone who beats me to to it is welcome to do so.

Also, if anyone is interested, after they have installed Vassal and the DDM mod, they can mosey over to DDM Guild Online League pages (or DDM GNOLL, as it was known) and take a peek at the 100 or so recorded games there, in different scenarios described under respective weeks. I used to run the DDM GNOLL and it was a blast. (And sorry, no, really, I wish I did, but no, I do not have the time to revive it myself, but I'll surely be there to offer help to anyone who maybe wants to run something similar. My attempt was ok, but I know many can do better.)

azm0
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I know I've not been very active in this community, but I'm a longtime fan of the miniatures. I haven't actually played many games, most of them being at release events, but I would definitely be interested in playing via Vassal or Roll20.net. I subscribed to the latter specifically because of Ira's post, and am open to either medium. Sign me up, too!

alepulp
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Let me know - I'm in. I do have the last .mods for Vassal

Matob Matobsen
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Another Vassal Player - HERE! Smile

Koen
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I made a roll20 account but don't really understand it yet. My vassal still seems to work though Smile

skyscraper
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Although I'd prefer a Vassal real time match, roll20 might be more realistic for me.

Justjooaivan
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No offense, but asynchronous play is not really ddm, imho. Or in order to make up for immediate actions & reactions in general, the games would take forever.

Ira
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Justjooaivan wrote:
No offense, but asynchronous play is not really ddm, imho. Or in order to make up for immediate actions & reactions in general, the games would take forever.

From personal experience, I can say that games do not take forever. Smile I completed a 200 point Arena game against skyscraper in a reasonable amount of time, and we each checked the game one or two times per day.

I agree that asynchronous play is different from real-time play, but the reality of life is that asynchronous play offers many benefits (different time zones, busy lives), and it still feels very much like DDM to me.

I encourage you to try a game before claiming that it will take forever and/or that it's somehow not DDM.

Justjooaivan
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Perhaps if you would describe how you solved the immediate/reacting to what happens on the board when something can be done mid-move, for example? Or if you did not have that happen, how would you propose to handle that in asynchronous mode?

skyscraper
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Just: it went well. But perhaps we didn't have the creatures that could get confusing.

In essence, it takes some good will by both players, and potential issues are quickly and easily solved.

OAs: you know if you're provoking one.

Other actions: you usually know if they are available to your opponent. For example, if I target a wand expert with an attack, I'll ask the player if he wishes to use "feywild defense" before I roll my attack die.

If we forget about something: we can roll back if required. (I don't think we had to do this a single time in our only asynchronous game.)

So while I agree that asynchronous mode is sub-par, it's quite feasible and reasonably at that, IMO.

Ira
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Yes, skyscraper is making an important point that I omitted - we were playing for fun, and without high levels of competitiveness. We were both certainly trying to win, but we both paused when an immediate action was relevant, asking the opponent if they wanted to activate that ability before we continued. In a live game, we wouldn't remind the opponent about their abilities, so it certainly is different. But the benefits are worth it, IMO.

Koen
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any luck with finding that latest ddm mod Just? I'm looking for it myself, but can only find some undated mods on the vassal site, not quite sure which one I should pick.. And I figured it might be a good idea to agree on a mod before I post pairings.

Justjooaivan
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Peter said he has the latest mod. If he sends it to me, I could put it up. I will be recording a Vassal install guide video with it Tuesday or Wednesday night.

John Almack
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So, these are NOT the latest mods for DDM 2.0?

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_Miniatures

Justjooaivan
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Unlikely. Will check that one out later to make sure. 95% likely they are not.